| Posted by Ryan524, 07-27-2010, 01:46 AM | |
I am looking for some cloud hosting with full root access, WHM/cPanel. And this porbably doesn't need to be said but just to be sure I want something thats truley cloud hosting. I am going to build my own hosting business on top of this and I want the scalability and redundancy of cloud hosting, that is if I can find one with whm/cpanel at a good price.
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| Posted by eming, 07-27-2010, 01:54 AM | |
what budget are you looking at? plenty of options out there now...
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| Posted by Ryan524, 07-27-2010, 02:14 AM | |
i don't really know what a fair price would be to be honest. I mean I am looking for something under $40/month perferably. to host my php/mysql applications on.
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| Posted by nix101, 07-27-2010, 03:40 AM | |
For $40/mo you can get a lower end Cloud with cpanel/whm. Check out VPS.net
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| Posted by Ryan524, 07-27-2010, 12:19 PM | |
Correct me if I'm wrong but I belive I've heard vps.net isn't true cloud hosting.
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| Posted by IGobyTerry, 07-27-2010, 12:41 PM | |
We typically keep the details of our infrastructure private for sake of a competitive advantage, however to clear up this huge inconsistency I'll release a lot of details as to how our cloud works.
We have 3 datacenter locations in the United States, 1 in the United Kingdom, and 1 in Japan opening later this month. Within our datacenters we build out multiple cloud zones, each zone is independent of each other and has typically around 1.5TB of RAM available to it, all RAM/CPU is housed in hypervisors which are the "muscle" of the cloud, while the information is kept on CP servers and the multiple redundant SANs in the cloud. When you launch a VPS, it'll claim it's hypervisor, and will work off of that one hypervisor, however, if you outgrow that hypervisor, you could be hot moved with no downtime at all to a new hypervisor as needed.
Additionally, using our DNS utility, we've given our customers the ability to automatically put in place a failover DNS option. This means that if your primary datacenter goes down, your secondary datacenter (and remember, we have 4 to choose from) will take over the process of hosting your website.
Finally, we have the options of our content distribution networks, through the agreements we've signed with Akamai & Highwinds. While they're not true "clouds" by todays standards, since their goal is more-or-less to deliver data in the fastest possible path, coupled with our VPS servers, they do make for a great complimentary tool for increasing the speed and redundancy of your website.
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| Posted by digiscape, 07-27-2010, 06:18 PM | |
GigeNet is moving along nicely with multiple locations in the works
www.gigenetcloud.com
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| Posted by Jacob Wall, 07-27-2010, 10:30 PM | |
^ ditto. VPS.net does cloud hosting exceptionally well.
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| Posted by Ryan524, 07-29-2010, 03:26 AM | |
any other suggestions for cloud hosting.
Also about VPS.net, I didn't see anything about cpanel/whm do you offer that? Does it cost anything extra?
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| Posted by cyc0, 07-29-2010, 05:31 AM | |
$10 per month, we have been happy customers for about a year.
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| Posted by consciousmedia, 07-31-2010, 12:39 PM | |
www.cloud.bg is cheaper, 20, i switched to them from rackspace, works very well, has cpanel/whm too.
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| Posted by Brad Groux, 08-01-2010, 11:15 PM | |
A huge +1 for VPS.NET.
If you are on an EXTREME budget, they can't be beat. With your VPS node you can expand as needed on the fly, as you sell more you add more. Their billing is up to the minute, so if you lose a customer and don't need that extra node, remove it and the cost goes down immediately. They have dedicated IPs for only $1, additional 25GB storage for $10 and on and on.
Also, they give you free licenses for ISP Manager, which is a competitor to cPanel's WHM. It's not as robust as cPanel and doesn't have the documentation and support of cPanel but it more than does the job for small hosts. I used ISP Manager for several months until I made the revenue to pay for cPanel, which they'll license to you for only $10/month per server.
They also give you a free license to HostBill, which is a competitor to WHMCS or other web hosting solutions. HostBill's support is fantastic, and even though they have only been on the market for 7-8 months they are quickly catching up to WHMCS is most areas, and even surpassing them in others.
Throw on top of that, they give you free SSL certificates, as many as you want that you can then turn around and sell to your clients and it is a no-brainer. Oh, and the more nodes you buy, the cheaper they get... so the more popular you become the more your profit margins increase with your growth.
For $20 a month (the price of one node) you could have a full web hosting solution up and running. That includes the automated control panel, the billing and support system and the space and resources to sell. You won't find a better deal on the net, trust me I've tried.
VPS.NET is a solid company with great support. I'm not going to lie and say that it is always great, as they do have problems with outages like every large host, but they are fairly transparent when they have issues and their support is second to none. If you don't feel your ticket is receiving proper attention you can escalate it to a manager, and they always answer within minutes.
DISCLAIMER: I am not affiliated with VPS.NET or HostBill other than being happy customers of both. I can supply IPs and URLs of sites running on the VPS.NET to confirm if needed.
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| Posted by albatroz, 08-02-2010, 04:10 PM | |
VPS.Net is an unmanaged solution, isn´t it?
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| Posted by Brad Groux, 08-02-2010, 04:15 PM | |
They have a managed option, I believe it is $99 a month.
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| Posted by wlsiew, 08-04-2010, 08:04 AM | |
Does VPS.NET provide cPanel/WHM or DirectAdmin license?
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| Posted by eming, 08-04-2010, 08:05 AM | |
Yes we do...
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| Posted by albatroz, 08-04-2010, 08:06 AM | |
Eming, are you related with VPS.net?
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| Posted by eming, 08-04-2010, 08:08 AM | |
Yes I am. VPS.NET is owned by UK2group whom I work for.
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| Posted by Brad Groux, 08-04-2010, 02:49 PM | |
VPS.net won't let you down... love those guys!
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| Posted by sam9, 08-09-2010, 04:55 PM | |
I think you should be able to get that price if you can/are prepared to manage server/s at your end. Another idea is to get cpanel installed on a cloud service, which does not come bundled with it.
Cheers!
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| Posted by Brad Groux, 08-09-2010, 05:23 PM | |
One node + cPanel/WHM will cost you $30 a month at VPS.NET. Each additional node you purchase will reduce the price of each node by $1. One node is $20, two is $38, three is $54 all the way down to $13 per node at 15 nodes. Additional IP addresses are only $1 each and additional storage nodes are $10 per 25Gb. Each node includes 250GB of bandwidth, and that is where VPS.NET saves you because pretty much every other cloud host on the planet charges you a base cost and then additional up and down bandwidth costs. VPS.NET now also includes free DNS management integrated with cPanel at no additional cost.
Here's a scenario: RackSpace charges 22¢/GB outbound and 8¢/GB inbound for bandwidth. If you have a 50/50 ratio of in/out it would be $27.50 for 125GB outbound and $10 for inbound for a total bandwidth cost of $37.50. Obviously most of the time your outbound is going to greatly exceed your inbound... but even in this skewed example a 256MB cloud server with 125GB in and out would cost you $48.45/month at RackSpace (taken directly from here). Meanwhile for $20/month you get 386MB memory and 250GB bandwidth at VPS.NET... the savings compound even more the more nodes you buy.
Throw in free SSL, free HostBill and Free ISP manager and I just don't see how other clouds can even compete... the only place I see VPS.NET lacking is support for Windows which is currently in Beta and more locations, but they're adding both Dallas and Tokyo shortly.
VPS.NET isn't perfect, but you aren't going to find a better sustainable cloud value on the internet.
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| Posted by HostColor, 09-08-2010, 02:51 PM | |
You have 2 options - to get a VPS powered by Cloud computing infrastructure or to get a virtual hosting account (name-based or IP-based) on a Shared Cloud (a service similar to RackSpace Cloud Sites).
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| Posted by phinsup, 09-08-2010, 06:55 PM | |
I can recommend Gigenetcloud for heavy php/mysql. I am running a forum that I had a lot of issues with on another providers cloud. (you can see my post in this forum).
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| Posted by Cristi4n, 09-09-2010, 05:54 AM | |
I am just curious, how can anyone believe he is buying a cloud solution when cPanel/WHM is involved ? Not to mention a "true cloud" solution as the OP wanted. True cloud ?
There is no cloud as long as cPanel and even MySQL or PHP is involved, there is only one or two VPS servers.
@inogenius, since I am a fan and really enjoy all your spam on twitter, last time I checked you did not have HA for your storage, what do you mean by multiple redundant SANs ?
Also, you stated that a client can be hot moved when he outgrows his hypervisor. Can you also please tell the OP that he can't outgrown a dedicated server since a cloud VPS is just an other simple VPS (usually Xen) that doesn't/can't run at the same time on multiple servers like many believe ?
Are you saying that if one of your datacenter with all his websites goes down, because of your DNS utility, his website will magically work from an other of your datacenter ? Omg amazing!
I can understand that the OP doesn't know much of this. Playing with words like that is just wrong.
Also, you did not answer the question you quoted.
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| Posted by IGobyTerry, 09-09-2010, 12:08 PM | |
I'm glad to hear that you follow us on Twitter! Each cloud has multiple active SANs. Each active SAN also has a backup that can be placed into "active duty" at any time, without any interruption in services or data corruption and/or data loss. This provides a redundant storage mechanism, reducing the likelihood of an outage should one of the SANs experience a problem.
For each VPS that is setup, the client is of course limited to the size of the hypervisor hosting their VPS. These aren't your traditional dedicated servers - you'd be paying $1,000 a month for something even remotely similar, so you have the capability to scale far beyond what you'd typically see out of a dedicated server. But you're correct in that the VPS can only use as many resources as available on the HV. There is however no limitation to the number of VPS's that you can have in your account. I think we can agree that having one large VPS, if it were possible, wouldn't be nearly as wise as having multiple smaller VPS to handle the load of a website, and it's something that is fairly easy to accomplish.
If it's setup in that fashion, that's what I'm saying. More of our clients will instead use it for a temporary status page, but the capability for them to do more with it is there.
Last edited by IGobyTerry; 09-09-2010 at 12:16 PM.
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| Posted by Cristi4n, 09-09-2010, 12:23 PM | |
@inogenius, sorry for my previous post but you added too much marketing bs by my opinion (no offense).
I do admire the setup VPS.NET has compared to RackspaceCloud for example, and others, but stating things like the ones above will give false hopes to potential clients.
Regarding twitter, I guess I will have the chance some day to talk to someone else. I am not following VPS.NET, I follow my clients but it's not a big deal at the moment.
Anyway if a DC is down you can't move anything from it.
Last edited by Cristi4n; 09-09-2010 at 12:28 PM.
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| Posted by IGobyTerry, 09-09-2010, 12:42 PM | |
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Our DNS system is first powered by SoftLayer's anycast DNS; most of our clients do not host their own DNS. Less than 10% is a number I estimate. So, if their primary datacenter goes down, using the failover DNS option that we provide, the backup will take over. It's not the perfect failover system, but considering it's free, is it bad? Not all. It works especially well for clients with static sites, and clients with dynamic powered sites are given a number of options depending on how they want to handle a failure.
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| Posted by Cristi4n, 09-09-2010, 12:51 PM | |
I know you were referring to DNS failover, but you stated that if one DC goes down "your secondary [...] will take over the process of hosting your website".
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| Posted by troboy, 09-13-2010, 08:24 AM | |
I agree, I used their service couple of months ago, I really like server contracting and expanding feature. +1 for them
From my experience, they have ready made cPanel template of 15 days trial.
I also used stormondemand, they also have flexible system.
But if I would be in your place, I would choose stormondemand
try to compare stormondemand's storm 2gb with VPS.net's NODE#2
Both of them dont have cPanel as by default.
However stormondemand's cPanel template includes FULL MANAGED SERVICE.
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