| Posted by neeljpatel, 08-12-2008, 01:13 PM | | Hi, I'm currently with Rackspace (who has done a relatively good job at managing my DS) - but i feel they are severely overpriced for the size of my needs. I have been reading many posts about getting a dedicated server from one provider and server management from another. I would like to get people's opinions on which combo (or individual if you only know one side) is best suited. I'm looking to spend about $300/month max (but lower is better!). I'm going to be running Django on the server if that makes a difference.
Cheers.
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| Posted by cristibighea, 08-12-2008, 01:41 PM | | Well, you haven't mentioned any of your hardware needs, location preferred, what software will be running on the server, etc.
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| Posted by neeljpatel, 08-12-2008, 01:56 PM | | Sorry, i'll be using the following software: (also will need support for) python, mod_python, django, apache, MySQL or postgres. I'm not sure what control panel i need. as far as computing power goes, single processor, dual core will probably be sufficient, but more wouldn't hurt for the price range (300/mth or below)
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| Posted by cristibighea, 08-12-2008, 02:03 PM | | Well, you can contact some providers with your requirements, and perhaps take a look here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=139 at some 3rd party management offers, since these can sometimes be cheaper, and offer what you're looking for.
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| Posted by roacha, 08-12-2008, 10:19 PM | | I am currently using DedicatedNow for my dedicated servers. The network speed and ticket response time is outstanding. I have used LogicSupport for managed services when I was short on time. They have completed software installs,security lockdowns, and configuration changes. They are great to work with, fast and very responsive. That combo has seemed to work for me...
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| Posted by Raid5, 08-13-2008, 04:56 AM | | we use singlehop's paramount servers and it's worth it.
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| Posted by The3bl, 08-13-2008, 07:12 AM | | Some people have good luck using an outside server management company and if you find a good one then you are in luck.
However be aware that you can sometimes get caught in the cross fire between the server provider and the management company pointing fingers at each other.
Using a provider that also handles the management like you have with rackspace there is only one place the buck can stop.
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| Posted by bdford, 08-13-2008, 11:02 AM | | This is a very good point and is an issue that I have run into in the past.
I currently have a fully managed VPS at WiredTree (http://www.wiredtree.com) and the support is excellent. They offer proactive management (patching, hardening, etc.) which is something that is hard to find with a lot of 3rd party management companies. WiredTree also offers fully managed dedicated servers that are well within your budget, so it may be worth giving them a shout.
I have also had good results with LiquidWeb (http://www.liquidweb.com), but have only recently started working with them.
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| Posted by empoweri, 08-13-2008, 12:01 PM | | You may want to look at VPS(es) to solve your problem. Good/robust undersold VPSes can match the performance of dedicated servers, but at much lower price point.
IMHO separating the server/management is more costly in the end.
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| Posted by datums, 08-13-2008, 12:10 PM | | If you'd like support on the django side that might be a little tricky since that's more specialized support. Your budget seems reasonable.
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| Posted by neeljpatel, 08-13-2008, 12:37 PM | | The VPS way seems better for us right now. I looked at WiredTree and their deals look well-priced and i'm going to be in contact with them to see if my django app will work. anyone have experience with wiredtree?
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| Posted by bdford, 08-13-2008, 12:43 PM | | I have already posted my experience, but if you search through the VPS section of WHT, you can find a TON of great reviews about WiredTree.
Good luck! I am sure you will be happy w/ WiredTree.
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| Posted by vpsRus, 08-13-2008, 12:44 PM | | interesting. i think you'll find wiredtree fitting for your needs. they are fully managed and from what i have read, very helpful.
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| Posted by neeljpatel, 08-14-2008, 12:41 AM | | our site is torn between getting a VPS or a DS and we don't really understand what criteria we should be using to distinguish which type of server is appropriate for our needs.
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| Posted by empoweri, 08-14-2008, 12:46 AM | | As a general rule I tell our clients: Anything that is:
- high CPU usage (CPU bound)
- high IO usage
Isn't really suitable for a VPS, unless if you want to start scaling horizontally. This is because of the overhead a VPS creates. For example if you are need a 4 core or higher Xeon server with RAID 10, then stick with dedicated. In most cases, a server is under utilized (under 40%) and a VPS is much better suited since you can scale vertically very quickly.
Hope this helps..
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| Posted by UNIXy, 08-14-2008, 01:00 AM | | Well, you don't usually observe high iowait or cpuwait with good samaritan VPS providers. With that said, the only way to guarantee resources is by getting a DS period.
I doubt you'll need the overhead of a control panel since this seems to be an R&D server. However, I think you'll need a managed server. I recommend you get it managed by the same people that have physical data center access (one point of contact).
Regards
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| Posted by empoweri, 08-14-2008, 01:06 AM | | I wasn't referring to the node itself, more to the fact of the overhead required to run a VPS and the fact you are sharing resources. That being said, yes there are VPS providers that oversell their resources and you do not get anywhere near dedicated like performance.
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| Posted by DediLayer, 08-14-2008, 04:06 AM | | Another vote for singlehop or softlayer + seeksadmin.
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