| Posted by wdint, 08-12-2010, 12:23 PM | | Hi we're looking to offer reseller hosting on our site. However, we cannot find any good companies that offer this. We want to resell the reseller hosting, so people signing up would get there own WHM accounts etc.
I cant, for the life of me, find a good company that does this. Does anyone have some suggestions?
Remember we don't want to buy reseller hosting, we want to be able to sell reseller hosting.
Thanks
Last edited by wdint; 08-12-2010 at 12:36 PM.
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| Posted by MikeTrike, 08-12-2010, 12:24 PM | | You could use a managed VPS if you are not good with managing servers. Just get it with cPanel and you're set to start selling out reseller accounts.
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| Posted by CyberHostPro, 08-12-2010, 12:29 PM | | Hi
WHM by default does not support sub-reseller hosting, the only control panels I know that have sub-reseller hosting as standard are WebsitePanel and HELM 4 which are both windows hosting control panels that I can confirm are excellent products from experience with them both. Going back to WHM, their is addons some hosts have that allows sub-reseller hosting. However I am not too sure how stable and reliable they are. I am sure if WHM Was capable of sub-reseller they will make this a standard feature hopefully one day
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| Posted by wdint, 08-12-2010, 12:42 PM | | cPanel is a well-known control panel that most people are comfortable with so I'd probably want still have available cpanel. The key I'm looking for is getting a master WHM account or something that can control all of the sub WHM resellers below it.
I think most hosts turn off that feature of sub WHM accounts but I have heard of this feature.
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| Posted by Encrypted, 08-12-2010, 12:43 PM | | You could probably partner up with a host to resell their reseller packages.
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| Posted by CyberHostPro, 08-12-2010, 12:47 PM | | Hi
this is not true. Its not a standard feature I have many WHM Servers and i can assure you the only way to have this is by the host installing addons such as http://deasoft.com/whmreseller.php which i have not used, i've read once or twice its not reliable but this was a long time ago and it maybe better now.
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| Posted by arelink, 08-12-2010, 12:47 PM | | I think that what you are looking for is a Master or Alpha reseller plan. For this you need to find a host that offers addons like WHMreseller or Zamfoo. And like CyberHostPro says, I'm not sure how reliable they are either.
Also, if you are going to sell reseller accounts I also suggest you get a managed VPS or dedicated server.
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| Posted by arelink, 08-12-2010, 12:51 PM | | CyberHostPro beat me to it in a few milliseconds.
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| Posted by techjr, 08-12-2010, 12:55 PM | | One solution may be innohosting. They do not directly advertise it but they did have a system in place to resell there reseller plans. Contact them and find out if they still offer it or if it is available to use.
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| Posted by wdint, 08-12-2010, 01:07 PM | | Okay, we resell through hostgator, but I'm not sure they'd allow WHMreseller to be installed into my WHM account.
Do you know of any hosting companies that offer WHM with this plugin installed?
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| Posted by KMyers, 08-12-2010, 01:09 PM | | Greetings,
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| Posted by MikeTrike, 08-12-2010, 01:28 PM | | I still recommend a managed VPS over reseller, that is if you don't feel comfortable with an unmanaged vps, comparing HostGator's reseller plans to WiredTree's or KnownHost's Managed plans yield a fairly insignificant price difference. Granted there is a penalty for disk space alloted to you. Unmanaged you could get a pretty close space match though, IntoVPS for example.
I guess it's just personal preference, but I prefer the isolation and not installing additional unnecessary modules onto a server.
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| Posted by arelink, 08-12-2010, 01:44 PM | | To my knowledge, hostgator does not sell Master Reseller plans, and I pretty sure you are not allowed to install those add-ons either.
Check the Reseller Hosting offers on WHT here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
There are some hosts that offer Master reseller and the addons you require.
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| Posted by Jedito, 08-12-2010, 02:03 PM | | You can try to contact to some hosts fitting your needs and ask them for a discount to sell their packages, I strongly suggest you to avoid Alpha/Master reseller packages. Another option is as some other people told you is to go to a managed VPS, however, not recommendable IMHO due the limitations on RAM/CPU that you'll have on it.
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| Posted by JasonD10, 08-12-2010, 02:22 PM | | The best (and properly supported way by cPanel) is to do this with your own hosting environment. Whether it be via Dedicated server, VPS, Cloud, etc. Something that is your environment that you have control over as root level access, and can create true reseller accounts.
You would also want a managed environment as managing this infrastructure on your own is a big task, and I've seen many people get in over their heads not understanding the complexity of administration of a full featured web hosting server.
There are a variety of methods to accomplish this, but I would stick with the ones that are actually supported by cPanel, and not the third party add-ons to do something of this degree. There is a lot of security considerations so it is a dangerous practice.
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| Posted by M Bacon, 08-12-2010, 02:47 PM | | I prefer the WHMPHP Master Reseller Plugin but you could use an affiliate program that a hosting company has or just buy a master reseller account.
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| Posted by Server Management, 08-12-2010, 03:02 PM | | I recommend starting with a VPS then upgrading to a dedicated server once you have afew people through the door, Business can be slow so theirs no point blowing money on a dedicated server just yet...
You may think a master reseller account might be pretty but their not, you,ll have some problems and can lead to failure, with a vps you,ll have root access and your own enviroment...
I,d also offer all the goodies like rv sitebuilder, softaculous...
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| Posted by KMyers, 08-12-2010, 03:35 PM | | Greetings,
While I will be the first to admit, there have been some bad apples in the bunch, master reseller hosting does have some benefits over a VPS. A VPS requires management (Self or External) and License fees. The license fees alone can be over $50 per month.
Of course like a VPS, when you start to grow large, move to a dedicated server is quite simple.
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| Posted by Server Management, 08-12-2010, 03:46 PM | | You have more control with a VPS...
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| Posted by MikeTrike, 08-12-2010, 03:48 PM | | Not to mention the fact that he would be using cPanel/WHM the way it was programmed to be used. i.e. not hacked and modded via modules.
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| Posted by KMyers, 08-12-2010, 03:56 PM | | But how much controlling do you Need
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| Posted by wdint, 08-12-2010, 04:21 PM | | The more control the better. VPS sounds like there is more control, however, it sounds like you would need to know what you're doing. Would you have to install all of this software on a VPS vs. going with a company that would have everything already in one package?
We'd be offering this new service as more of an experiment so low starting prices would be preferred since we don't know how successful it will be.
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| Posted by M Bacon, 08-12-2010, 04:39 PM | | You can get server management for $30 at http://www.platinumservermanagement.com/ or get a VPS with management & cpanel at knownhost, jaguarpc, or wiredtree for a relatively lower cost.
Master Resellers are not bad in my opinion if your server is great & your host properly manages the server.
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| Posted by Server Management, 08-12-2010, 04:45 PM | | Exactly...
get intouch with adam at vpslatch he will set you up with a low cost vps plan...
Plus his team will manage it for you and install anything you require...
I recommend getting a VPS with at least 1-2Gb of ram...
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| Posted by wdint, 08-13-2010, 02:39 AM | | If we didn't want to go the VPS way, do you know of any other companies that offer Master reseller plans, or plans with the WHMreseller addon? Also if you've tried this type of hosting on your site, has it worked?
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| Posted by Faris Aziz, 08-13-2010, 04:08 AM | | It's still unstable as before? I can see only a few companies using it now and plenty of company using WHMPHP and ZAMFOO.
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| Posted by IGXHost, 08-13-2010, 04:35 AM | | Obviouly this is ultimately dependent on the OP's budget. A VPS would naturally be a more expensive option compared to master resellers. Both options do have their ups and downs but I believe VPS provides more benefits. In my opinion, if you have the budget for a VPS, go for it. IF not, then a master reseller account is a good way to start off until you can afford to move to your own VPS/dedi.
In any case, best of luck to you. Just make sure you do your research before signing with any provider.
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| Posted by DWS2006, 08-14-2010, 11:27 PM | | As others have said, I recommend either getting a VPS or Low End Dedicated Server, or establishing a partnership with an existing host.
The later seems to be a perfect fit for you since you don't want any server responsibilities. You'd be surprised at how many hosts will give you a 25-30% discount or more to market and resell their service as your own.
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| Posted by thishosting, 08-15-2010, 01:57 AM | | I'm not entirely sure why everyone seems to be recommending a VPS to the OP? He has opened a topic, and has specifically stated he's interested in Master Reseller hosting, so im not sure why everyone is pushing him in a direction he doesn't want to go.
Yes VPS and dedicated will of course provide more control, but if you don't want that level of control...then whats the point in paying more for it? Not everybody wants/needs root access, they just want to sell some hosting, make a living and get on with promoting their own business.
Therefore, i'll keep this on-topic and suggest some good master reseller suppliers:
1. www.ezpzhosting.co.uk
2. www.k-disk.net
I believe InnoHosting have a master reseller panel of sorts, but from what I remember, its one they've developed in-house so i'm not too sure of its quality or usability.
Best of luck with your search for a host
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| Posted by Server Management, 08-15-2010, 11:24 AM | | Maybe because a vps offers a hell of alot more for your money...
Also u,ll have root level access so you could offer clients jailed ssh access on request...
Also u,ll be creating true reseller accounts not software driven ones...
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| Posted by Matthew_B, 08-15-2010, 12:30 PM | | I would suggest a VPS.
We recently stopped providing master resellers. Ok I see the attraction, but seriously there are loads of bugs in all scripts. WHMPHP by far the buggiest, since it has been integrated into cPanel. It took a liking into upgrading any Reseller account into a Master Reseller.
So yeh Master Resellers are an attractive and cheap option, but at the end of the day, you have very little control. You dont have Root.
Which makes getting a VPS a slightly better alternative, and can sometimes, be cheaper, if you look at it this way.
Virpus, you can get a vps with
1GB Ram
2GB Burst Ram
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$20a month for a VPS. That can and will run cPanel.
and managed vps with the same specification as above is only $27 a month with the discount.
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| Posted by Robiro, 09-07-2010, 05:10 AM | | I would really like to know why any hosting company would even contemplate offering sub-reseller accounts (Master or Alpha Hosting plans)...
Without even knowing the nitty gritty technical details, I find that whole concept of sub-reselling, offered even for up to two levels, so wrong.
If their tier 1 reseller hosting clients, for arguments sake let's say get 50GB space and 250GB transfer limit each month, how the heck would anyone be interested in buying into their already limited resources, rather than buying off the primary host themselves?
This aspect in itself simply doesn't make any sense to me. The other reason why this is silly, is that many people have said this creates an unstable and unreliable server.
Now who is winning then? Not the primary web host, not their reseller hosting clients, nor their resellers' sub-resellers' clients (shared hosting clients or reseller clients)...just think about this crazy chain.
Everyone wants a cut from an already very limited resource...
That is one reason why I am still finding it difficult to find a simple but reliable web host that can offer me Reseller Hosting for the simple purpose of hosting multiple sites, each in their own cPanel account.
But I do NOT want to be on the same server with those that are allowed to resell/oversell their resources to other resellers and shared hosting clients PLUS those then to do the same.
A shared server environment needs to be managed well as it is (especially with overselling enabled for their reseller clients), yet going one or even two steps further sounds not right to me.
Yet, it seems many hosting providers offer this. Incredibly, even those where you can buy a plan for under $10 often allow you to resell on two levels...the more levels there are, the higher the chances that CPU and RAM will be used up constantly and eventually nothing works for anybody.
So where are the good hosts that have separate servers for those who simply do not want to be put into this environment?
-NO Master/Alpha Reselling!
-Overselling enabled (to allow max. use within own limits)
-from 10GB/100GB up
-Installatron/Softaculous
-Servers USA based
-Support 24/7/365 via multiple means
-R1Soft (CDP) or other (min daily!) backup (some only do weekly!)
Shoot me reply or PM. Thanks
Last edited by Robiro; 09-07-2010 at 05:14 AM.
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