| Posted by mogsub, 11-13-2007, 04:41 AM | | Hi,
Is there a reason why I shouldn't give my resellers their own private nameservers? Does my server need more CPU/RAM for this?
Thank you
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| Posted by kencox, 11-13-2007, 04:43 AM | | it would not require more on your server but you could eat up your IPS pretty fast.
You can not register an IP address as an authoritative name server for more than one name.
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| Posted by Aussie Bob, 11-13-2007, 05:17 AM | | Hi
If they're reselling, then they'll need their own nameservers.
Not to my knowledge.
Anytime.
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| Posted by ~ServerPoint~, 11-13-2007, 05:30 AM | | Hello!
Make recuest to the your main company. All companies are different.
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| Posted by mogsub, 11-13-2007, 07:28 AM | | Thanks for your answers. Do private nameservers also need their own IP's or can they share my dedicated IP's?
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| Posted by 01globalnet, 11-13-2007, 07:36 AM | | They can be shared IP's as well.
But make sure you have an 'anonymous' reverse dns entry for protection to your resellers.
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| Posted by everity, 11-13-2007, 09:16 AM | | Actually, you don't always HAVE to give resellers their own private nameservers. Occasionally you will come across resellers who don't need private nameservers. You would be doing the world a favor by helping to conserve IP addresses (since there are not many left).
Personally, I always explain the benefits of private nameservers to new resellers, and then ask them if private nameservers are needed. Sometimes the answer is no.
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| Posted by iHubNet-Matt, 11-13-2007, 09:57 AM | | Thats right. not all resellers will be needing private nameservers. You can provide them on request.
It will not affect the performance of the server and you can give the same IP's for different resellers. That doesn't make any difference. But as someone suggested above, use an anonymous name for the reverse dns.
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| Posted by mjaymob, 11-13-2007, 11:16 AM | | I wonder what would happen if we 'ran out' of ip addresses : /
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| Posted by Anrulz, 11-13-2007, 05:19 PM | | As a reseller for example I would like to have my own nameserver would be more cool ...
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| Posted by ldcdc, 11-13-2007, 06:13 PM | | There's a factor that may often be neglected by providers, but be a reality for resellers.
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| Posted by Ultima VPS, 11-13-2007, 06:17 PM | | You don't need a dedicated IP for private nameservers and it is easy for resellers to rebrand the nameservers with their own domain using the same IP's as the host nameservers. Hasn't anyone here actually done it?
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| Posted by kencox, 11-13-2007, 06:18 PM | | Ok how do you setup authoritative name servers using multiple names with the same IP? Every time I have ever tried to setup new names using the same IP the registrant tells me those IPS are already in use.
Are you simply creating A Records for the customers?
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| Posted by Ultima VPS, 11-13-2007, 06:24 PM | | Never had that issue. All we do is have the reseller change the NS records to their domain (ie ns1.resellerdomain.com)
And then have them make a ns1 A record and point this to the nameserver IP.
We have lots of resellers who do this and no one has ever complained about it failing at the register.
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| Posted by Chainhost-General, 11-13-2007, 06:29 PM | | I second this.
Of all our resellers maybe 5 or so have dedicated IP's for their nameservers
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| Posted by foobic, 11-13-2007, 06:50 PM | | Personally I think a reseller account should ideally come with 2 dedicated IP addresses - one for the reseller site and one for the clients - so that in the event of a ddos attack the relevant IP can be blocked without taking out too many other sites. In this case the same 2 IPs can be used for private nameservers.
Why isn't this always offered? Maybe cost control, difficulty obtaining IP allocation or just a way to give clients an incentive to upgrade.
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| Posted by everity, 11-13-2007, 08:16 PM | | I would think it would always be at least offered, just not always needed. Many resellers are designers who handle everything for their clients, and have no need to hide who the actual host is. Other resellers are just people with a large network of their own sites, who find it convenient for each account to have its own control panel. (They aren't reselling at all.)
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| Posted by everity, 11-13-2007, 08:19 PM | | This can be done, and in some cases might work fine, but isn't there some concern about reverse IP?
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| Posted by Arcdigital, 11-13-2007, 10:18 PM | | Buy an anonymous domain like cpanelwebhostnameservers or something and make that your primary DNS. then your resellers can use that and still have anonymity.
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| Posted by daboolz, 12-07-2007, 10:30 AM | | If anyone can register their own private nameserver and use a shared IP, would a guy with a shared hosting account be able to have his own private nameserver?
Greg
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| Posted by rv_irl, 12-07-2007, 11:47 AM | | Justification is our own problem when it comes to IP allocation. More and more DC's are becoming strict on IP allocation and so it is becoming increasingly difficult to give an IP out for the sake of it..
Although I must comment that some users are not fully aware when they do need an IP and when they don't.
If it is to increase anonymity, I would say that a dedicated IP is not necessary so long as the host uses anonymous hostnames. The only issue here is that when a reverse lookup is done, it will report back a list of sites using that IP which doesn't belong to the reseller. In that case, a dedicated IP will be needed along with reverse DNS set up.
Some believe if the mail server is blocked, having your own dedicated IP won't make a difference if the mailserver is blocked. We've had a few requests for that reason alone lately.
But as for providing private nameservers, I see no credible reason not to offer it as standard unless it is a sales strategy.
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| Posted by Softsys Hosting, 12-07-2007, 12:20 PM | | I agree with Ultima Hosts and aceadoni.. There is no need to have dedicated IP addresses for nameservers...
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| Posted by cycomhk, 12-09-2007, 01:23 PM | | As a reseller I think using my own nameservers helps in terms of branding...
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| Posted by IGobyTerry, 12-09-2007, 01:57 PM | | It depends on the "use" of the reseller account. From my research of the web hosting market, there are many people who are not interested in actually selling web hosting, but they like the additional features that you can get from a reseller hosting account.
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| Posted by TonyB, 12-09-2007, 02:43 PM | | I'm finding this becoming pretty common with our users. We have customers who do it so their sites are more separated. They don't particularly like the cPanel addon domain setup so they go this route.
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| Posted by krystofo, 01-06-2008, 01:13 PM | | Thank you, all, for contributing to this discussion. I have a reseller account, mostly for myself but a few client sites. I am fuzzy about private nameservers. I did a search and this discussion is helping me to answer my questions...
Q. Can several nameservers be attached to the same IP?
A. In practice this is often done, but is not supposed to be done. I think it's better to be 'correct.'
Q. Is there any technical value (speed, security, SEO, etc.) to private nameservers?
A. It seems not. Only value is this 'looks better' when selling a new site to have a private label. (?)
Q. How about email security? If a reseller is a spammer, might his activities stain everyone using the same nameserver?
A. I think not. To my understanding, this is a good reason that every reseller account, controlling a group of sites, should have at least one private IP. However I think even that does not separate the mail server if it is not a dedicated or VPS account. (?) And if it is a VPS account then it must have a private IP anyway.
As for the nameserver, I think technically that does not matter at all, concerning SEO value, blacklisting, or the mail server. (?) Therefore, since I do not need private labeling ('transparency') to hide my upstream provider, I am simply using the nameservers of my upstream provider.
(By the way, for other newbies: after everything is running, you can search the internet for free 'IP lookups' and 'nameserver lookups' to analyze whether everything follows current standards. If anything is flagged as incorrect, discuss with your upstream provider.)
Am I right or wrong? Any comments welcome...!
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| Posted by uberhostNET, 01-06-2008, 03:11 PM | | Yes, virtual nameservers are a good solution.
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| Posted by HigherProfits, 01-06-2008, 04:21 PM | | I think it's a great value for resellers to have their own nameservers. I ran tests and it actually converted better when that was an advertised feature as well.
To Higher Profits,
Dave
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