| Posted by QualityHost, 12-25-2010, 03:13 PM | |
Hi,
A client of mine needs a reliable and fast cloud setup.
I would like suggestions on which of the following would be the fastest cloud for a good size VB forum:
cloudweb
Storm (liquidweb)
VPS.net
gigenetcloud
Any other suggestions?
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| Posted by Rens, 12-25-2010, 04:52 PM | |
Most of these providers have all kinds of setups (different SANs), it isn't really possible to give a good advise about this. Just try the one that seems best for you and move if the performance isn't good enough would be my advise
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| Posted by jayglate, 12-25-2010, 05:46 PM | |
First, you need to define what you mean by cloud....Of those listed there IMO, not all are what I would consider a true cloud environment.
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| Posted by RossH, 12-25-2010, 06:10 PM | |
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/
Cloud computing is a model for enabling convenient, on-demand network access to a shared
pool of configurable computing resources (e.g., networks, servers, storage, applications, and
services) that can be rapidly provisioned and released with minimal management effort or
service provider interaction. This cloud model promotes availability and is composed of five
essential characteristics, three service models, and four deployment models.
Essential Characteristics:
On-demand self-service. A consumer can unilaterally provision computing capabilities,
such as server time and network storage, as needed automatically without
requiring human interaction with each service’s provider.
Broad network access. Capabilities are available over the network and accessed through
standard mechanisms that promote use by heterogeneous thin or thick client
platforms (e.g., mobile phones, laptops, and PDAs).
Resource pooling. The provider’s computing resources are pooled to serve multiple
consumers using a multi-tenant model, with different physical and virtual
resources dynamically assigned and reassigned according to consumer demand.
There is a sense of location independence in that the customer generally has no
control or knowledge over the exact location of the provided resources but may
be able to specify location at a higher level of abstraction (e.g., country, state, or
datacenter). Examples of resources include storage, processing, memory, network
bandwidth, and virtual machines.
Rapid elasticity. Capabilities can be rapidly and elastically provisioned, in some cases
automatically, to quickly scale out and rapidly released to quickly scale in. To the
consumer, the capabilities available for provisioning often appear to be unlimited
and can be purchased in any quantity at any time.
Measured Service. Cloud systems automatically control and optimize resource use
by leveraging a metering capability at some level of abstraction appropriate
to the type of service (e.g., storage, processing, bandwidth, and active user
accounts). Resource usage can be monitored, controlled, and reported providing
transparency for both the provider and consumer of the utilized service.
Last edited by RossH; 12-25-2010 at 06:18 PM.
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| Posted by QualityHost, 12-25-2010, 08:36 PM | |
Which one isnt?
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| Posted by IGobyTerry, 12-25-2010, 08:39 PM | |
What kind of database and hit count are we talking? Even for forums about half of WHT's size, I'd recommend going with a dedicated MySQL server with SSD drives + CDN frontend. It's not necessary, but if you want the fastest site around, that's how you're going to accomplish it.
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| Posted by bergholt, 12-27-2010, 04:36 AM | |
You should take a look at http://cloudharmony.com, which gives you the option to define your own set of parameters to base the speed tests on.
Btw, any reason you're not considering Amazon EC2?
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| Posted by 1Ago, 12-27-2010, 04:44 AM | |
Indeed, Amazon EC2 isn't that bad.
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| Posted by whitelines2, 12-27-2010, 07:09 PM | |
Rackspace is good but not cheap.
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| Posted by JasonD10, 12-27-2010, 10:03 PM | |
Amazon is the largest in Cloud hosting, but that can also be problematic when splitting up services inside of an application. Ie: a well defined and segmented LAMP stack. Some services are going to be on one Cloud, some on another, and the infrastructure is not designed to properly communicate, compliment, and work with each other as in a traditional Cluster so there can be a lot of latency and other issues to deal with especially as you grow. Where is that data located? It may not even in the same Data Center let alone on the same backplane.
We host some very large forums, some of which the Database Clouds are running on enterprise SSD drives. Your needs will determine the level of service ultimately, and I believe each provider can work with you on those needs but you should carefully discuss that with your potential provider.
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| Posted by eming, 12-28-2010, 07:49 PM | |
agree with all the guys above. Look for the right storage solution. Find someone running FusionIO or similar - that will be your bottleneck dealt with.
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| Posted by bergholt, 12-29-2010, 05:53 AM | |
Could you point to 3-5 hosts that offer FusionIO?
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| Posted by eming, 12-29-2010, 05:11 PM | |
I can't sorry - but LMGTFY
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| Posted by boskone, 12-31-2010, 10:51 AM | |
Also, look for cloud providers with high end SAN storage. Many current offerings are based around SATA drives in servers, rather than specialised SAN hardware. dediserve.com for example, run all storage on high end NetApp SAN's for the best possible IO performance with low latency.
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| Posted by JasonD10, 12-31-2010, 10:55 AM | |
While logically that may sound good, I've personally tested providers with SAN's who performed significantly slower than a single SATA drive. Just because someone is using a SAN does not mean that it's superior. They could easily overload the SAN, and when it goes into a degraded state a lot of environments could become quickly overloaded due to iowait conditions.
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| Posted by boskone, 12-31-2010, 10:59 AM | |
A high end SAN takes a lot to 'overload'.
A current generation, netapp cluster can handle many hundreds of thousands of iops
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| Posted by dazmanultra, 12-31-2010, 12:07 PM | |
The absolute fastest cloud is more than likely going to be one put together yourself.
That way you can manage your own load levels, ensure that you have plenty of I/O, and very low contention.
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